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* The Suzuki 2.5 hp makes the final cut...but what about TWO of them, in
tandem? - 12 messages, 8 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.boats.cruising/browse_thread/thread/414efb80f8d1028f?hl=en
* What did bob do 2day? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.boats.cruising/browse_thread/thread/10c629351a28615a?hl=en
* Radar Sentry - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.boats.cruising/browse_thread/thread/307262632accbb0e?hl=en
* Portable Generators - 8 messages, 6 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.boats.cruising/browse_thread/thread/4267df66e2e5262e?hl=en
* Jacques Cousteau Odyssey posted! CAFB OPEN HOUSE TOMORROW! - 2 messages, 2
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.boats.cruising/browse_thread/thread/e65ba517086649c3?hl=en
* Upcoming Trip - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.boats.cruising/browse_thread/thread/4d3fdf9b97293d5c?hl=en

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TOPIC: The Suzuki 2.5 hp makes the final cut...but what about TWO of them, in
tandem?
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.boats.cruising/browse_thread/thread/414efb80f8d1028f?hl=en
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== 1 of 12 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 25 2008 11:58 pm
From: Bruce in Bangkok

On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:30:45 -0700 (PDT), Jay
<jay-smith-1935@excite.com> wrote:

>On Apr 25, 4:36 pm, Marty <baxt...@kos.net> wrote: I've used my Merc
>2.2 and a backup on my 15' Springbok, it pushed me home just fine when
>the Johnson 60 conked. About 5 miles, took an hour, but beat the hell
>out of rowing.
>Cheers
>Marty
>
><<<Marty, anything beats the hell out of rowing especially if you're
>in the middle of a large reservoir and the wind comes up. lol
>
>-Jay
>
>I realize all of you are probably tired of all of these questions from
>the outboard rookie here but indulge me one more time.
>
>If a person strapped TWO of those Suzuki 2.5hp outboards (only 29 lbs.
>each) to the back of the boat, one on each side, what would be the
>effect? 5hp? Double the speed? Double the noise? Nothing? Just
>curious...
>
>-Jay

Well, it will be double the noise and approximately double the fuel
consumption but perhaps not double the speed. You might "Ping" Roger
as to why doubling the Horse Power doesn't necessarily mean double the
speed. Has to do with all kind of hull forms and hydrodynamics and too
much of it will make your eyes cross.

But why stop with two, three, or even four! I see a lot of boats here
with a couple of 250 h.p. engines strapped on the tail.

I wonder what the "per minute" cost is for a couple of 2 stroke 250 hp
engines at full song is?

Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct email address for reply)

== 2 of 12 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 26 2008 3:38 am
From: richardcasady@earthlink.net (Richard Casady)

On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:58:22 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
<b*paige*125@g*mail.com> wrote:

>You might "Ping" Roger
>as to why doubling the Horse Power doesn't necessarily mean double the
>speed. Has to do with all kind of hull forms and hydrodynamics and too
>much of it will make your eyes cross.

Its very simple. Power required is proportional to the cube of the
speed, and, [gets out the calculator that takes no prisoners], you get
1.26 times the speed. Mileage is inversely proportional to speed. That
you can check for yourself, with your car.

Casady

== 3 of 12 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 26 2008 4:04 am
From: Jay

On Apr 26, 3:38 am, richardcas...@earthlink.net (Richard Casady)
wrote: Its very simple. Power required is proportional to the cube of
the speed, and, [gets out the calculator that takes no prisoners], you
get 1.26 times the speed.
Casady

<<<Thanks Casady, since I'll probably get 4 mph with the one Suzuki,
if I strapped on another, does that mean I reach a whopping FIVE
mph? (1.26 x 4) At that speed I could probably pull my cat water
skiing. lol

-Jay
(being silly)

== 4 of 12 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 26 2008 4:26 am
From: salty@dog.com

On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:30:45 -0700 (PDT), Jay <jay-smith-1935@excite.com> wrote:

You would never be able to go in a straight line to your intended destination.

== 5 of 12 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 26 2008 4:34 am
From: cavelamb himself

Richard Casady wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:58:22 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
> <b*paige*125@g*mail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>You might "Ping" Roger
>>as to why doubling the Horse Power doesn't necessarily mean double the
>>speed. Has to do with all kind of hull forms and hydrodynamics and too
>>much of it will make your eyes cross.
>
>
> Its very simple. Power required is proportional to the cube of the
> speed, and, [gets out the calculator that takes no prisoners], you get
> 1.26 times the speed. Mileage is inversely proportional to speed. That
> you can check for yourself, with your car.
>
> Casady

ASSuming the props are pitched for a higher speed than you alreaady get?

== 6 of 12 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 26 2008 4:37 am
From: PhantMan@nospam.invalid

Jay wrote:
>If a person strapped TWO of those Suzuki 2.5hp outboards (only 29 lbs.
>each) to the back of the boat, one on each side, what would be the
>effect? 5hp? Double the speed? Double the noise? Nothing?

In your case, not much.
At 2.5 - 5.0 hp, you're dealing with a displacement hull. So the
difference in those two hp's doesn't do much for speed (noise yes,
fuel yes, speed no).
But if you started with 10hp, which would almost plane (but not quite)
your boat, doubling the hp to 20hp would make a huge difference in
speed. That would be enought to switch from displacement speeds to
planing speeds. Big difference.
So everything matters. Weight, drag, hull shape, like that. But the
biggest difference in hp/speed ratio is when the hp is enough to get
the mass over the displacement/planning hump.

Rick

== 7 of 12 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 26 2008 5:15 am
From: Bruce in Bangkok

On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 10:38:59 GMT, richardcasady@earthlink.net (Richard
Casady) wrote:

>On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:58:22 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
><b*paige*125@g*mail.com> wrote:
>
>>You might "Ping" Roger
>>as to why doubling the Horse Power doesn't necessarily mean double the
>>speed. Has to do with all kind of hull forms and hydrodynamics and too
>>much of it will make your eyes cross.
>
>Its very simple. Power required is proportional to the cube of the
>speed, and, [gets out the calculator that takes no prisoners], you get
>1.26 times the speed. Mileage is inversely proportional to speed. That
>you can check for yourself, with your car.
>
>Casady

Right! Up to the time that the boat begins to plane, then all the
calculations go to hell.

Or right up to the time you exceed hull speed and the calculations go
to hell again.

I keep telling the guy, "call Roger". He don;t listen.

Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct email address for reply)

== 8 of 12 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 26 2008 5:47 am
From: Jay

On Apr 26, 5:15 am, Bruce in Bangkok <b*paige*125@g*mail.com> wrote:
> I keep telling the guy, "call Roger". He don;t listen.
> Bruce-in-Bangkok

<<<Oh, he DO listen but he's just gathering alternate info from other
sources. I'll get around to the head guru Roger soon.

What's taking up my time is trying to figure why those power maniacs
around you are strapping two of the big blasters to their boats. As
you stated, "I see a lot of boats here with a couple of 250 h.p.
engines strapped on the tail." Curious why they don't just strap ONE
500 hp motor on the back instead of two 250s if there's not an
advantage. Curious....

-Jay
(who
listens......................................................occasionally)

== 9 of 12 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 26 2008 5:54 am
From: Wayne.B

On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:30:45 -0700 (PDT), Jay
<jay-smith-1935@excite.com> wrote:

>If a person strapped TWO of those Suzuki 2.5hp outboards (only 29 lbs.
>each) to the back of the boat, one on each side, what would be the
>effect? 5hp? Double the speed? Double the noise? Nothing? Just
>curious...

If you want to go significantly faster you need enough power to get on
plane. That will take 10 to 20 hp for your boat depending on how
heavily loaded it is. The complexity of trying to steer two outboards
is reason enough not to do it but there are other reasons also like
increased drag, fuel consumption and maintenance.

Most dual outboard installations are done for redundancy on offshore
boats or where the boat is heavy enough that no single motor provides
enough power.

== 10 of 12 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 26 2008 6:33 am
From: richardcasady@earthlink.net (Richard Casady)

On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 05:47:52 -0700 (PDT), Jay
<jay-smith-1935@excite.com> wrote:

>"I see a lot of boats here with a couple of 250 h.p.
>engines strapped on the tail." Curious why they don't just strap ONE
>500 hp motor on the back instead of two 250s if there's not an
>advantage.
It's simple. 250 is as big as they make them, you can't get a 500HP
engine.

Casady

== 11 of 12 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 26 2008 6:46 am
From: "Roger Long"

"cavelamb himself" <cavelamb@Xearthlink.net> wrote

>>>You might "Ping" Roger
>>>as to why doubling the Horse Power doesn't necessarily mean double the
>>>speed. Has to do with all kind of hull forms and hydrodynamics and too
>>>much of it will make your eyes cross.

As has been pointed out here, I have no *formal* training in naval
architecture and am therefore unqualified to comment.

I do know that it is an immutable law of the universe however and always
obey it even when I don't see any physics cops in my rearview mirror.

BTW good bio article about Ray Hunt in the latest "Yachting". Another guy
with no formal training in the field.

--
Roger Long

== 12 of 12 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 26 2008 6:49 am
From: richardcasady@earthlink.net (Richard Casady)

On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 08:54:06 -0400, Wayne.B
<waynebatrecdotboats@hotmail.com> wrote:

> The complexity of trying to steer two outboards
>is reason enough not to do it

Its simple,not complex. A tie bar between the tillers and you have it.

Casady

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TOPIC: What did bob do 2day?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 26 2008 2:40 am
From: "Roger Long"

"Bob" <freya2go@yahoo.com> wrote

> Very good day indead.............

So sorry Bob. RIP.

Sounds like you were resting in peace actually. Must have been that last
Porter that messed up your spelling.

Good man to be able to so thoroughly relax at this time of year when there
are so many boat recommissioning projects calling. Your heart will thank
you.

--
Roger Long

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TOPIC: Radar Sentry
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.boats.cruising/browse_thread/thread/307262632accbb0e?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 26 2008 2:42 am
From: jimthom@optusnet.com.au

I purchased one of these from Ebay:

http://www.guysoflidar.com/museum/the-first-commercial-radar-detectors.html

They show up occasionally on Ebay; first manufactured in 1961, when
the police in some states were use X-band radar to detect speeding
vehicles. They may not be sufficiently sensitive to pickup a ships
radar in time to be of any use, but at <$20 they are worth testing
versus the >$500 C.A.R.D.

Cheers, Jim

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TOPIC: Portable Generators
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.boats.cruising/browse_thread/thread/4267df66e2e5262e?hl=en
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 26 2008 3:29 am
From: "Eisboch"

The used boat I am in the process of buying (34 Sabreliner Fast Trawler) is
not equipped with a genset. It is diesel powered.

I really don't need a genset for most of my boating activities as I usually
stay on a slip when doing my limited cruising, but once in a while it's fun
to spend a night or two swinging on a mooring or anchored.

I've searched around looking for information on the safety issues of
carrying a small, portable, gasoline generator on board for making morning
coffee or whatever. I have a little Honda EU-2000 Inverter type generator
that is small, light, quiet and completely self-contained. For my needs, I
could fuel it on the dock, and it would have enough gas to serve the minimal
morning coffee making needs for a week or more. No need to carry any more
gas containers.

The references I've found are conflicting. Many do this and seem to think
it's fine as long as it is stored and operated above deck (cockpit area).
Other references state it should only be operated sitting on the dock and
never aboard the boat.

The only disasters I've read about is when people have tried to
"permanently" install a portable generator by modifying it's enclosure, fuel
supply system or trying to tie the generator output into the boat's
electrical panel.

Does anyone have any knowledge, experience or input? I can't really see
anything wrong with it as long as it is stored properly and obviously
operated in the open, so it is well vented and ventilated. I would not tie
it's power into the boat's electrical system. I'd just use an appropriately
sized power cord (extension cord) and plug the coffee maker directly into
the generator.

Thanks,

Eisboch

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 26 2008 4:08 am
From: svoice8@gmail.com

There are many cruising sailboats that use the Honda and love them.
Many plug them directly into the dockside power port and backfeed the
boats AC panel.
This enables them to charge the house batteries using the onboard
charger.

They always run them on deck (fore or aft). Not sure how or where the
store them.

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 26 2008 4:38 am
From: salty@dog.com

On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 06:29:15 -0400, "Eisboch" <rce@nowhere.com> wrote:

> The used boat I am in the process of buying (34 Sabreliner Fast Trawler) is
>not equipped with a genset. It is diesel powered.
>
>I really don't need a genset for most of my boating activities as I usually
>stay on a slip when doing my limited cruising, but once in a while it's fun
>to spend a night or two swinging on a mooring or anchored.
>
>I've searched around looking for information on the safety issues of
>carrying a small, portable, gasoline generator on board for making morning
>coffee or whatever. I have a little Honda EU-2000 Inverter type generator
>that is small, light, quiet and completely self-contained. For my needs, I
>could fuel it on the dock, and it would have enough gas to serve the minimal
>morning coffee making needs for a week or more. No need to carry any more
>gas containers.
>
>The references I've found are conflicting. Many do this and seem to think
>it's fine as long as it is stored and operated above deck (cockpit area).
>Other references state it should only be operated sitting on the dock and
>never aboard the boat.
>
>The only disasters I've read about is when people have tried to
>"permanently" install a portable generator by modifying it's enclosure, fuel
>supply system or trying to tie the generator output into the boat's
>electrical panel.
>
>Does anyone have any knowledge, experience or input? I can't really see
>anything wrong with it as long as it is stored properly and obviously
>operated in the open, so it is well vented and ventilated. I would not tie
>it's power into the boat's electrical system. I'd just use an appropriately
>sized power cord (extension cord) and plug the coffee maker directly into
>the generator.
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Eisboch
>

All that for a coffee maker?

Buy yourself a french press. Sometimes called a Bodum, because that's who makes
most of them. It is simplicity itself, and makes a positively wonderful cup of
coffee very quickly. You don't even need to buy filters. Just boil some water.
Put a few scoops of ground coffee in the Bodum and add the boiling water. Wait 4
minutes, then operate the press to separate the coffee from the grounds. You may
like the coffee it makes so much you will want one at home, too.

You can buy a nice Bodum for around $20 in the housewares secton of department
stores such as Target, or any place with kitchen stuff. For that matter, I'll
bet Google or Ebay would have lots of them listed.

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 26 2008 5:43 am
From: richardcasady@earthlink.net (Richard Casady)

On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 11:38:00 GMT, salty@dog.com wrote:

>On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 06:29:15 -0400, "Eisboch" <rce@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> The used boat I am in the process of buying (34 Sabreliner Fast Trawler) is
>>not equipped with a genset. It is diesel powered.
>>
>>I really don't need a genset for most of my boating activities as I usually
>>stay on a slip when doing my limited cruising, but once in a while it's fun
>>to spend a night or two swinging on a mooring or anchored.
>>
>>I've searched around looking for information on the safety issues of
>>carrying a small, portable, gasoline generator on board for making morning
>>coffee or whatever. I have a little Honda EU-2000 Inverter type generator
>>that is small, light, quiet and completely self-contained. For my needs, I
>>could fuel it on the dock, and it would have enough gas to serve the minimal
>>morning coffee making needs for a week or more. No need to carry any more
>>gas containers.
>>
>>The references I've found are conflicting. Many do this and seem to think
>>it's fine as long as it is stored and operated above deck (cockpit area).
>>Other references state it should only be operated sitting on the dock and
>>never aboard the boat.
>>
>>The only disasters I've read about is when people have tried to
>>"permanently" install a portable generator by modifying it's enclosure, fuel
>>supply system or trying to tie the generator output into the boat's
>>electrical panel.
>>
>>Does anyone have any knowledge, experience or input? I can't really see
>>anything wrong with it as long as it is stored properly and obviously
>>operated in the open, so it is well vented and ventilated. I would not tie
>>it's power into the boat's electrical system. I'd just use an appropriately
>>sized power cord (extension cord) and plug the coffee maker directly into
>>the generator.
>>
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Eisboch
>>
>
>All that for a coffee maker?
>
>Buy yourself a french press. Sometimes called a Bodum, because that's who makes
>most of them. It is simplicity itself, and makes a positively wonderful cup of
>coffee very quickly. You don't even need to buy filters. Just boil some water.
>Put a few scoops of ground coffee in the Bodum and add the boiling water. Wait 4
>minutes, then operate the press to separate the coffee from the grounds. You may
>like the coffee it makes so much you will want one at home, too.
>
>You can buy a nice Bodum for around $20 in the housewares secton of department
>stores such as Target, or any place with kitchen stuff. For that matter, I'll
>bet Google or Ebay would have lots of them listed.

You need the same ammount of energy either way. You heat the same
ammount of water either way, Depending on what you have for heat,
there is the non electric perculator.

Casady

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 26 2008 5:45 am
From: Wayne.B

On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 06:29:15 -0400, "Eisboch" <rce@nowhere.com> wrote:

>Does anyone have any knowledge, experience or input? I can't really see
>anything wrong with it as long as it is stored properly and obviously
>operated in the open, so it is well vented and ventilated. I would not tie
>it's power into the boat's electrical system. I'd just use an appropriately
>sized power cord (extension cord) and plug the coffee maker directly into
>the generator.

The first thing I'd do is check with your insurance company and with
your marina. If they're OK with it, and if you take all suitable
precautions with the gasoline and its containers, have a CO2 monitor
and use it, then you've got most of the safety issues covered. I
carry my gasoline for the dinghy on deck, stored near a scupper drain.

That said, the EU-2000 makes a bad neighbor even though it is one of
the quietest generators available. In the long run I think you'd be a
lot happier with a permanent installation which is tied into the boats
electrical system.

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 26 2008 6:51 am
From: richardcasady@earthlink.net (Richard Casady)

On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 06:29:15 -0400, "Eisboch" <rce@nowhere.com> wrote:

>I've searched around looking for information on the safety issues of
>carrying a small, portable, gasoline generator on board for making morning
>coffee or whatever. I have a little Honda EU-2000 Inverter type generator
>that is small, light, quiet and completely self-contained. For my needs, I
>could fuel it on the dock, and it would have enough gas to serve the minimal
>morning coffee making needs for a week or more. No need to carry any more
>gas containers.

The hazards of gasoline, while real, are overrated by some. The vapor
is heavier than air, and a leak with a powerboat, with a clear shot
from tank to bilge, is one thing. I presume your cockpit has drainage
over the side. If there is any wind the hazard wlll be even less. Get
the right fuel can and leave it in the cockpit, as well. A cigarette
does not burn hot enough to ignite gas. If you drop a burning cig into
gas, it will just go out. Matches or a lighter are a different story.
I don't panic if I walk into a cloud of gas fumes, with a burning cig
in my mouth, but I sure as hell leave the lighter in my pocket. There
is no bogus, spark producing, wiring in the cockpit,?I would be more
concerned about the noise.

A twelve hundred watt do-dad operated for six minutes would take 10AH
at 12 volts. Get an inverter/charger and a serious battery. With a
hundred AH deep cycle battery you should be good for a week. Get a big
enough array of solar cells, the inverter, and a big battery and you
would be all set with none of the drawbacks of noisy gas power, no
need to run the main engine just to charge the coffee batteries. I
don't know how the cost of an inverter, battery, and solar array,
compares to the generator. I presume you already have an adequate
charger for the starting battery. I don't know what any of the stuff
costs and wouldn't mind a bit if someone cares to comment on that..

Casady

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 26 2008 7:05 am
From: Larry

"Eisboch" <rce@nowhere.com> wrote in
news:s42dnQjOgvdino7VnZ2dnUVZ_uKpnZ2d@giganews.com:

> Does anyone have any knowledge, experience or input? I can't really
> see anything wrong with it as long as it is stored properly and
> obviously operated in the open, so it is well vented and ventilated. I
> would not tie it's power into the boat's electrical system. I'd just
> use an appropriately sized power cord (extension cord) and plug the
> coffee maker directly into the generator.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eisboch
>
>
>
>

I have the little sister to the 2000, the Honda EU1000i. It powered my
stepvan shop for a couple of years before I got a sweet deal on the
EU3000is, a much quieter, slower-turning, more powerful unit that runs
both 8000 Btu A/C units all summer, now.

The problem with portable generators on boats is Carbon Monoxide
poisoning from the heavier-than-air, hard-to-detect exhaust fumes
filling the hull and killing the stupid Darwin Award winners in their
sleep. If you keep the genset DOWNWIND with its exhaust outlet to lee
over the stern it should be fine....lots of them are used this way.

I use my EU1000 as a shop heater, running it INSIDE the truck in winter
to recover nearly 100% of the waste heat to warm the truck while
powering the shop. To do this, I welded a pipe nipple over the little
exhaust tube that sticks out where the warm cooling air exits the
cabinet. A coil of 1/2" copper tubing is attached to the pipe nipple
and snakes around behind some cabinets heating the air even more before
going through the deck plates to exhaust gas and condensate water out
under the truck. A similar system of using a welded on pipe nipple and
some lawn furniture tubing could make a gas stack to easily pipe the
exhaust fumes away from the cockpit on a yacht.

Skip uses an EU2000i to supplement his wind and solar power on Flying
Pig very successfully. These little Hondas run a LONG time on a little
fuel. Works great!

Be informed, however, that Honda parts and service rival Rolls Royce and
Maybach cars in price and labor costs. I have a Honda Reflex 250cc
plastic motor scooter, 1 cylinder, 1 throat carb. It died on me from
some dirt in its fuel clogging the jets, so the dealer says. To clean
the carb out and replace its V-belt variable speed drive...a simple V-
belt that looks like the power steering pump belt in an old car...is
$US649! Rolls Royce doesn't charge that much for V-belts!

Honda Generator parts and service are all similarly priced to my Honda
Scooter......VERY expensive.

The worry about the EU2000i in a boat is unfounded. When you shut down
the EU2000 by turning the "switch" off, it closes the fuel valve
automatically. If you then simply close the vent by moving the lever to
the closed position in the fuel filler cap, the entire fuel system is
now sealed for safe storage about anywhere....including the boat.

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 26 2008 7:06 am
From: Larry

richardcasady@earthlink.net (Richard Casady) wrote in
news:4862225b.402105187@news.east.earthlink.net:

> You need the same ammount of energy either way. You heat the same
> ammount of water either way, Depending on what you have for heat,
> there is the non electric perculator.
>
> Casady
>
>

"Just boil some water", he says. He's the one carrying the propane tanks
up and down the dock to save on flashlight batteries....(c;

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TOPIC: Jacques Cousteau Odyssey posted! CAFB OPEN HOUSE TOMORROW!
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 26 2008 5:38 am
From: Molesworth

In article <Xns9A8BE567DE9A1noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>,
Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:

>
> It's gonna be a fantastic weekend at CAFB. The flightline is full of
> static displays and seems to have lots more corporate support than last
> year:
> http://www.charleston.af.mil/
> http://www.charlestonairexpo.com/

B-b-b-butt it's Jazzfest weekend!

LOL

--
Molesworth

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 26 2008 6:48 am
From: Larry

Molesworth <ukmole@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:ukmole-
8A965F.07380526042008@news.lga.highwinds-media.com:

> In article <Xns9A8BE567DE9A1noonehomecom@208.49.80.253>,
> Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> It's gonna be a fantastic weekend at CAFB. The flightline is full of
>> static displays and seems to have lots more corporate support than last
>> year:
>> http://www.charleston.af.mil/
>> http://www.charlestonairexpo.com/
>
> B-b-b-butt it's Jazzfest weekend!
>
> LOL
>

Took the old AF stepvan to the gate this morning and was told I'd have to
go through a full search at the gate on the other side of the AFB to get it
aboard. The gate was HEAVILY armed with multiple dogs, flak jackets and
very heavy weaponry I've not seen at previous air shows in previous years,
even after the false flag op of 9/11/2001, when I simply drove the van in
the traffic with the huge SUVs.

Something is cookin' at the Base. They're loaded for war like I saw this
morning with very serious AP's looking for trouble.

So, about 11AM when the airshow starts, I'm going to go over to the
civilian airport and watch it from there. The base looks like they're
expecting a bomb to go off right in the middle of the crowded static
displays. No thanks.....

I don't understand why anyone's mad at us just because we invaded a few of
Israel's enemies and killed thousands of their people trying to impose
Israel's will on them with military force and steal their oil and other
natural resources for the big corporations.....

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TOPIC: Upcoming Trip
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Date: Sat, Apr 26 2008 6:59 am
From: Dennis

Hi,

I am planning a trip from Annapolis to Jacksonville, Fl. Having not
done this trip in the past, I was wondering about the pros and cons of
going outside from Norfolk to Jacksonville versus going down the ICW
thru Albermarle and Pamilco to Beaufort, NC and then out to
Jacksonville.

Has anyone made this trip and would be willing to have an internet
chat offline?

Any insight would be appreciated.

Thanks
Dennis

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